Council of Elrond

There are a handful of other cards that also let the player take some action without an active or passive condition, but they are the exceptions and do not create a rule. But they do create a precedent. Therefore, we include Thrall among this group. You are missing the context of these 2 statements...

You misunderstand. The idea that you have to declare an action that a card says you "may" take when you play the card is false. The card gives you the capacity to declare that action whenever you choose, within its own guidelines. As a refresher: https://councilofelrond.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=145...

The specific example to which I was responding is as follows: Discarding Card_B is a typical active condition for some other Action_A of Card_A. If you can't choose Card_B for the discarding action to be played out through (i.e., target Card_B), how would Card_B ever be discarded? Discarding Card_B ...

Still, no passive condition is created or needed for Thrall because when Thrall is played the Thrall-placing action and character-playing action are immediately declared and they will resolve one after the other. So the character for the Thrall to be placed on is already established by the playing ...

Meeting active conditions and exhausting a play deck are not actions -- they are declared and resolve immediately. When the rules state that a couple of activities in the game are not actions, that does, in fact, mean they are not actions. It does not mean that they are. It means they are not. They...

Annotation 6: If an action requires an entity to be discarded as a condition for the action's main effect, that entity must be discarded when the action is declared; this is considered synonymous with the action's declaration; i.e., it is not a separate action. Annotation 7: If any other active con...

The game provides Passive Conditions as the mechanism for taking actions based on other actions. If playing a character was the trigger for the Thrall-placing action, then the placing action would establish the passive condition. Condition, Passive: An action that causes another action to take effe...

Brandobras, instead of picking and choosing two line out of context, go back and read "Events" (MELE p. 40, 41) "Actions and Card Play" (MELE p. 50), "Timing Rules" (MELE, p. 69), and the Glossary on Action, Declaring an Action, Resolving an Action, Chain of Effects, Targeting, Active Condition, an...

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:35 am

The statement means:

So you agree that the current wording is insufficient and needs to be changed. Good to know.

I don't see how a rules method that consists of reading cards with any words you want, regardless of what's actually written on them, could possibly lead to problems.

Yes, Thrall allows the possibility of taking a later action. When you take that specific action, you place Thrall with the character that was played. Therefore, all three copies get placed with whichever character was played using Thrall's ability. As you mentioned above, Thrall's wording does not c...

The difference is that active conditions do not have targets, since they are not actions, by definition. This statement is so confused. Read the rules on active conditions and targets a few times. I'm tired of the hypocrisy. By definition: Meeting active conditions and exhausting a play deck are no...

Not to discard it, no, which is what you "may" do.

Thrall has no effect on the game without a character being played. And so it cannot be played to just sit around. This is unequivocally false. Giving a player the capacity to do something they would otherwise be unable to do is an effect on the game. See also Rumours of Rings. Actions cannot just h...

Yes, but I don't like nested solutions.