But unless I'm mistaken, Saruman already gets full MP's also for the minion palantiri, Arkenstone, Scroll etc, right? You're right about the Mordor factions, it would be an achievement indeed :lol: .So but in the end it would just mean a plus 2 or 3 mp's on factions then, and maybe +1 for a minion a...

Well the goal is to actively combine the strategies, so if you can't add this card to Nazgul Abroad it makes it less attractive to actually keep the nazgul in hand. So I would say it's a natural. Can't see if it's too big, not counting against HL, but don't think so. Most nazgul cards are playable o...

fine by me. Only thing I'm thinking about, so that we're all agreed, is this like a Buthrakaur ability? so creatures are not considered keyed to anything, nor count against HL? Personally I'm fine with free of keyability, it circumvents Secret Passage and stuff. But free of HL? no. Problem is, then ...

Right you are! about both the power and the uniqueness.

I meant, discourage play at dark-hold. Anyhow, one marvels and you can give away 2 MP's, so Gnaw at them with words (or give them some Sorrows to think about)

Any awakened plant creature may be played on a company, if the hazard player has a company at a site in the same or adjacent region (non coastal sea) that contains an ally playable at Wellinghall (or Blackbole). I would like the ally clause on a separate card altogether, but I think my last formula...

Impressive post and propositions Bandobras! I have to brood on it a while. I'm not an expert on Fallen Saruman, but hopefully I am on FW in general, and I think we can all agree that Saruman is least competitive of the 5, and if you want to play him competitively, you'd best do without most of his s...

Yeah, I had this discussion with Marcos too with respect to something like King under Mountain.
I'd prefer Jambo's solution as well, though it's chosing between two wrongs. We can only discourage the play of GG as creature then...

Well, about including all the ent cards in VC1, I would be in favour of that, but since I re-entered the scene a bit later when it was already quite developed, I didn't want to press this, and I don't know the decissions about the VC's in general, if there is to be any coherent 'theme' or anything. ...

yeah just noticed, it's not on it anymore, sometimes older versions get stuck in your head. okay my bad.

So what the 'original attack' for then? if boosters still influence it.

that is the downside of it, yes, but that's thematically fair. Also, you can play Quickbeam/Blackbole yourself, which is the main ally that this would matter for, because you're not going to key many AP's to the borderlands or single wilderness the other ents can visit anyway. But, as I suggested it...

That I agree with, because it was Saruman who was Blind to All Else.
And that brings us right back on topic

I would say no to keyability by type, just by name, because those are the regions they are 'home' to. It is a bit complicated yes, but not that much really, you can key the AP's to everywhere you company with ally is, or adjacent, except in water, and opponent can do the same for places/regions ment...

yeah but wouldn't that be a matter of how you time it? Minion Stirr is already on table as rescue attack commences, I read GG, it says 'the original attack', so I'm thinking 'any modifications don't apply.' What do you mean 'nowadays', you mean they used to but now they don't? In a Cool-play Tournam...

thumbs up! lets book'm.
except I would change the names like suggested earlier for reasons of rarity, any coments on that?
Is there still room on the booster-card (whatever its name) for an 'awakened plant attacks at shadow holds are not detainment?'