Council of Elrond

When exactly does the effects of a Minion Arkenstone take effect?

Scenario:
Minion player A has minion arkenstone in play

FW Player B plays We Have Come to Kill to play Gloin.

Player B is currenly using 15/20 GI.

Can he bring Gloin into play?

CRF, Turn Sequence, Organization Phase, Followers wrote:[crf.html#new @] A character's direct influence must be greater than or equal to the mind attribute of another character to allow him to take control of that other character, even if the characters mind stat would be lowered once he /she became a follower. [CoE] [crf.html#non-rev %]

In this case (that may take place if So You've Come Back is played on character in company) mind value of moving character under control of DI is checked at declaration. Mind value after such moving does not count.

I think that if ruling for interaction between playing characters and applying effect of Arkenstone (Diminish and Depart, Palm To Palm) would be consistent with this idea, then playing of Gloin should be allowed.

Of course Gloin would be immediately removed from the control of DI in such case.

Sounds good to me. After all, Gloin is not yet in play until after ACM resolves. Arkenstone cannot boost his mind until he's in play.

Proposed Ruling:

Mind-altering effects such as The Arkenstone (minion), Palm to Palm, and Diminish and Depart are not considered when deciding whether a character has enough direct influence to control another character being brought into play with direct influence (e.g., through We Have Come to Kill, A Chance Meeting, or during the organization phase at a site where your avatar is not present).

Aye.

Published in Digest 118.

Done. Locked.