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I would be amazed if you ever get a Dutch Fatty... some say they are rarer than Jap Fury. It will be fascinating to see if you do. Good luck though!
I don't know where you have got this idea of rarity as what I'm aware of the dutch fatty is more common than either of the dutch test of forms, which I have both and jap fury is a lot rarer than either of those versions. Last sales of either I have seen the jap fury went for over 10 times more of what dutch fatty sold for.Lake Town Geezer wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:54 pm I would be amazed if you ever get a Dutch Fatty... some say they are rarer than Jap Fury. It will be fascinating to see if you do. Good luck though!
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RE Dutch Fatty vs. Japanese Fury.
The evidence is anecdotal, but it is a fascinating debate - which is rarer?
I do not want to mention names, as it is not right to do so, but my thinking is:
1. The general consensus seems to be (from older posts on the old CoE forum) that there were about 30 Japanese Fury in existence. There were originally more, but they were apparently destroyed when ICE went bust in the late 90s. Then of that 30 most are still locked in Japan, but a few - maybe lest than 10 - found their way out of Japan. These few cards are the ones most collectors are after.
2. The dutch fatty I believe was only given out as prizes in a few competitions in Holland in the 90s. I think there were/are more than 30. The issue is though that very few found their way out to collectors. There is one well known dutch player - who no one has heard of for a long time - who some people think had a massive stash of dutch Fatty's hidden away. This may well be a myth though.
I managed to buy a copy from Mathom in Barcelona a few years ago - I think it may have been the last he ever sold. To this day I regret not buying a Japanese Fury from him.
My take on it is that the dutch Fatty may seem more common as the original supply came from Europe - where trading was/is more open. So it may just *seem* more common for this reason. Of course, we just don't know for sure I guess. It is ultra rare though I feel.
The whole story of these ultra rare a really fascinating topic though. The Japanese Black Arrow also seems to be almost as rare as the Fury, maybe only a few copies outside of Japan. Apparently, in Japan you could only get it by buying a load of toys and then sending off for it (or similar). Very few found their way out.
The evidence is anecdotal, but it is a fascinating debate - which is rarer?
I do not want to mention names, as it is not right to do so, but my thinking is:
1. The general consensus seems to be (from older posts on the old CoE forum) that there were about 30 Japanese Fury in existence. There were originally more, but they were apparently destroyed when ICE went bust in the late 90s. Then of that 30 most are still locked in Japan, but a few - maybe lest than 10 - found their way out of Japan. These few cards are the ones most collectors are after.
2. The dutch fatty I believe was only given out as prizes in a few competitions in Holland in the 90s. I think there were/are more than 30. The issue is though that very few found their way out to collectors. There is one well known dutch player - who no one has heard of for a long time - who some people think had a massive stash of dutch Fatty's hidden away. This may well be a myth though.
I managed to buy a copy from Mathom in Barcelona a few years ago - I think it may have been the last he ever sold. To this day I regret not buying a Japanese Fury from him.
My take on it is that the dutch Fatty may seem more common as the original supply came from Europe - where trading was/is more open. So it may just *seem* more common for this reason. Of course, we just don't know for sure I guess. It is ultra rare though I feel.
The whole story of these ultra rare a really fascinating topic though. The Japanese Black Arrow also seems to be almost as rare as the Fury, maybe only a few copies outside of Japan. Apparently, in Japan you could only get it by buying a load of toys and then sending off for it (or similar). Very few found their way out.
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p.s. I would love to hear from a Dutch player/collector who knows more about thee ancient lore of the 'Dutch Fatty'. The story is almost as interesting for me as the mythical Japanese Fury.
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p.p.s.
There is an interesting story as well about the original batch of English Fatty Bolger promo cards. Apparently these cards were actually stolen from ICE in the 90s. ICE then had to re-print the fatty's before their release. I heard this directly from the artist.
There is an interesting story as well about the original batch of English Fatty Bolger promo cards. Apparently these cards were actually stolen from ICE in the 90s. ICE then had to re-print the fatty's before their release. I heard this directly from the artist.
Big thanks again for smooth transaction, pleasure to deal with you.
Also added Pins to my haves as well as couple new cards.
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