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[v] Long Grevious Siege/Grond

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:53 pm
by Jambo
Long Grevious Siege V:
MP 4
Permanent-event
Playing during the site phase, if your Ringwraith or a leader is at a Free-hold and Grond is in play on a faction in the same or adjacent region. The company faces 3 attacks which cannot be cancelled (race same as automatic attack - 5 strikes with 9 prowess, 4 strikes with 10 prowess, Maia - 2 strikes with 13 prowess; if Gandalf the White is in play, or if your opponent revealed it to you through a mechanism of the game, it must be used as the Maia attack). Following the attacks, tap your Ringwraith or leader, or discard this card. Tap the site if it's not already tapped. All versions of the Free-hold become Ruins & Lairs. Cannot be duplicated at a given site.

A new mission for minion. Usable in conjuction with playing an item, Smoke in the Wind and virtual Riven Gate, amongst other things.

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:14 pm
by marcos
do we really need a pumped smoke on the wind?

i like the card, but i think that with seize pritioners and smoke on the wind is enough for looting free holds...

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:22 pm
by Nerdmeetsyou
I don't know... never played them... or played against such a deck...

are these cards strong... ???

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:37 pm
by marcos
well, seize pritioners isn't that good, but smoke on the wind is a great card. And it's even better with V riven gate+ V terrors herald doom...

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:54 am
by Jambo
The idea is the siege of Minas Tirith, so I suppose it could be made more specific to MInas Tirith with more far reaching effects?

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:48 pm
by marcos
agree

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:06 am
by Ringbearer
As the card is on the moment, Minas Tirith cannot even be targetted because there is no faction playable for minions in Rohan, Anorien, Ithilien or Lebennin.

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:53 pm
by marcos
nice catch!

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:24 am
by Jambo
Right, this needs an overhaul. :)

Maybe something to encourage the play of some of the more unused factions:

Long Grevious Siege V:
MP 5
Permanent-event
Playable during the site phase if your Ringwraith or a leader is at Minas Tirith, you have at least one Orc and two Man/Dunadan factions in play, and Grond is in play. The company faces 3 attacks (Men - 5 strikes with 9 prowess, Dunadan - 4 strikes with 10 prowess, Maia - 2 strikes with 13 prowess; if Gandalf the White is in play, it must be used as the Maia attack). Following the attacks, tap your Ringwraith or leader, or discard this card. Tap the site if it's not already tapped. All versions of Minas Tirith become a Dark-hold and Anorien becomes a Dark-domain. Cannot be duplicated.

Or

Long Grevious Siege V:
MP (5)
Permanent-event
+1 to your influence attempts against Man and Dunadan factions. If your Ringwraith or a leader is at Minas Tirith and you have at least one Orc and two Man/Dunadan factions in play, and Grond is in play, you may tap this card during the site phase. When tapped, the company faces 3 attacks (Men - 5 strikes with 9 prowess, Dunadan - 4 strikes with 10 prowess, Maia - 2 strikes with 13 prowess; if Gandalf the White is in play, it must be used as the Maia attack). Following the attacks, tap your Ringwraith or leader to receive this card's MP. Tap the site if it's not already tapped. All versions of Minas Tirith become a Dark-hold and Anorien becomes a Dark-domain. Cannot be duplicated.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:51 pm
by marcos
i like the 2ยบ version, but i'd say shadow hold and shadow domains instead of dark... Make it similar to lord and usurper

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:33 pm
by Vastor Peredhil
True enough,

the change to a dark-hold and dark-domain is way to strong not even Imlad Morgul is a Dark-domain.

leits go with shadow-hold in a Shadow-land

mfg Nicolai

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:53 pm
by Jambo
So, something along the lines of :

Long Grevious Siege V:
MP (5)
Permanent-event
+1 to your influence attempts against Man and Dunadan factions. If your Ringwraith or a leader is at Minas Tirith and you have at least one Orc and two Man/Dunadan factions in play, and Grond is in play, you may tap this card during the site phase. When tapped, the company faces 3 attacks (Men - 5 strikes with 9 prowess, Dunadan - 4 strikes with 10 prowess, Maia - 2 strikes with 13 prowess; if Gandalf the White is in play, it must be used as the Maia attack). Following the attacks, tap your Ringwraith or leader to receive this card's MP. All versions of Minas Tirith become a Shadow-hold and Anorien becomes a Shadow-land. Cannot be duplicated.

I could add a new automatic attack (e.g. Orcs 4@7) for the Shadow-hold?

Also, the way it's worded right now, if one fails (through not being able to tap the leader or RW), one can re-tap this card each turn to initiate the siege battle. I could add a mechanism for this event to be discarded... Maybe it's quite cool it can be re-tapped each turn?

It also works for Balrog as it stands.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:03 pm
by Vastor Peredhil
It also works for Balrog as it stands.
sorry but it doesn't as a Balrog wont be able to play the nessescary man/dunadan factions!
I could add a new automatic attack (e.g. Orcs 4@7) for the Shadow-hold?
would be a nice touch to the card (also something about the White tree cannot be played at Minas Tirith any more or discard this card if the White Tree is played at Minas Tirith)
Also, the way it's worded right now, if one fails (through not being able to tap the leader or RW), one can re-tap this card each turn to initiate the siege battle. I could add a mechanism for this event to be discarded... Maybe it's quite cool it can be re-tapped each turn?
I am not sure what your are trying to say here "Siege battle"?!?

mfg nicolai

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:11 pm
by Jambo
Ok, good point about Dunadan factions and the Balrog. Balrog can in fact play Man factions with Baduila and Open to the Summons.

Yeah, I'd like some interaction with the White Tree. I'll have a think over this.

Siege battle - I was simply referring to the attacks one receives when the card is tapped - 5@9, 4@10, 2@13.

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:43 pm
by Ringbearer
The tree should be discarded ONLY if it was planted at Minas Tirith. I doubt if the city falls that the tree would be left standing.