Magical Harp

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Magical Harp

Post by Konrad Klar » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:54 pm

Magical Harp wrote:Unique. Hoard item. Tap Magical Harp to cancel all actions for the rest of the turn that discard target character in bearer's company. Bearer makes a corruption check. This item may also be so tapped during opponent's site phase. Then the dwarves themselves brought forth harps and instruments regained from the hoard, and made music to soften his mood...-Hob
CRF, Errata (Cards), Magical Harp wrote:Can be used at the Free Council.
Because at the Free Council there is no turn, an effect that has duration "for the rest of the turn" does not work.

To make Magical Harp's effect working at the Free Council, I propose the following erratum:

Unique. Hoard item. Tap Magical Harp to cancel all actions until end of turn that discard target character in bearer's company. Bearer makes a corruption check. This item may also be so tapped during opponent's site phase. Then the dwarves themselves brought forth harps and instruments regained from the hoard, and made music to soften his mood...-Hob

This change will cause that a duration of Magical Harp's effect during turn practically will not be changed, but at the Free Council will be set as practically infinite period.
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Re: Magical Harp

Post by Vastor Peredhil » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:16 pm

no need for that, please check the Challenge deck Version of the card

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Re: Magical Harp

Post by Konrad Klar » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:00 am

I do not have a scan, nor original of the card.

If there is a variant of some card that includes changes other than ICE's errata, it is additional reason to make an errata for the card.
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Re: Magical Harp

Post by CDavis7M » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:50 pm

I was able to look at the Challenge Deck card. From the previous quote i have shown additions and deletions.
Magical Harp from Challenge Deck C wrote:Unique. Hoard item. Tap Magical Harp to cancel all actions for the rest of the turn that discard a target character in bearer's company. Bearer makes a corruption check. This item may also be so tapped during opponent's site phase or the Free Council.
Though I think I see your point and the Challenge Deck card still has the same issue. My understanding is that it is no one's turn during the Free Council, so "rest of turn" has no meaning. As you suggest, changing to "end of turn" works during the Free Council since the effect would last until the next End-of-Turn phase (which would not happen since the game ends).

But, if the point is to make the card clear, I think that the "end of turn" errata is less obvious as to the intended effect. A person reading this errata would still not be clear as to the understanding/reasoning without superior knowledge of the rules. In that case, why not just issue a clarification:
When tapped during the Free Council,the effect lasts during the Free Council
Or else, errata to make the Free Council effect an "alternative" effect that lasts "until the end of the Free Council."

In the 1996 FAQ the Magical Harp could even be tapped at the "Council of Lorien." Pretty cool.
Magical Harp

Can be used at the Council of Lorien.

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