Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:49 am
Player has right to target for discard opponent's The One Ring (and his own Gollum) by
tapping (his own) Gollum.
This does not count as targeting The One Ring
by Gollum.
I disagree. Gollum (i.e., Gollum's effect) DOES target The One Ring. Gollum is not an example of the rule on targeting, he is the exception to the rule and an example of an early cards that was poorly written and no longer works in view of later CRF statements. The CRF on "Targets" says that "You cannot target an opponent's character or resources with your own resources." And the CRF of Active Conditions says "Your opponent's resources may be the active conditions for your resources, but may not be the targets for your resources."
For example:
ICE Digest 86 wrote:From: Michael Pureka <mpu...@mdinc.com>
>> >2) Can you play Mallorn at Bag End, if another player previously stored
>> >*Earth of Galadriel's Orchard* there?
>
>> Yes.
>
>Wait... what happened to not using your opponent's resources are
conditions for your own? Does this mean I can plant The White Tree at Minas Tirith if
my opponent has stored a sapling there? Does this mean I can play Gollum's fate using my
>opponent's copy of Gollum if he happens to be at Mt. Doom?
The ruling is that you can't target your opponent's resources with your
resources. Mallorn only uses Earth of Galadriel's Orchard as an active
condition, it doesn't target it. So that's OK. The White Tree discards
the sapling, so it targets, and can't be played that way. Same with Gollum's
Fate. (CRF, Term, Target)
The White Tree has an effect that discards The Sapling of the White Tree (i.e., "discard the
Sapling of the White Tree." You cannot target an opponent's Sapling so you need to play your own Sapling.
Similarly, Gollum has an effect that discards The One Ring (i.e., "then both
Gollum and
The One Ring are discarded."). Clearly this card was intended to discard the opponent's One Ring. However, the CRF was updated to include rules on targeting opponent's resources and Gollum was never updated.
We only have one CRF statement on Gollum from the very first CRF ("The text on Gollum is an ability that you can choose to use, not an effect that happens automatically.") This statement
predates the CRF statements on Targets and Active Conditions. Gollum was never updated after those statements were included to be consistent with them.
Why wasn't Gollum fixed? Because obviously the intended use is to discard the opponent's One Ring and 99% of players are not
Rules Lawyers.
Gollum's on-tap effect targets The One Ring. Dwarven Ring of Durin's Tribe (its on-tap effect) targets the site the character is at. Hidden Haven as played targets a site.
But yes, I agree that the CRF statement on targets could be updated to include sites and i have presented one way to do it above.