Gollum's Fate (clarification)

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Gollum's Fate wrote:Unique. Only playable if the One Ring and Gollum are both at Mount Doom during the site phase. The One Ring is destroyed and its bearer's player wins. ...even as his eyes were lifted up to gloat on his prize, he stepped too far...and then with a shriek he fell. Out of the depths came his last wail 'precious', and he was gone.-LotRVI
CRF, Errata (Cards), Gollum's Fate wrote:This card is considered to target both The One Ring and Gollum. This means it cannot
be played on your opponent's The One Ring or Gollum.
CRF, Rulings by Term, Active Conditions wrote:Your opponent's resources may be the active conditions for your resources, but may
not be the targets for your resources.
Gollum's Fate does not make any action performed on Gollum. It just requires its presence at Mount Doom during the site phase.

Therefore I propose the following change:
CRF, Errata (Cards), Gollum's Fate wrote:This card is considered to target The One Ring. This means it cannot be played on your opponent's The One Ring.
EDIT: changed typo in thread's title: (calarification) -> (clarification)
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CDavis7M wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:24 pm What about just indicating as much on the card itself.
ERRATA - Gollum's Fate wrote: Unique. Only playable if your tThe One Ring and your Gollum are both at Mount Doom during the site phase. The One Ring is destroyed and its bearer's player wins.
It is like changing a question instead correcting an incorrect answer.
Both makes a trick. :wink:

No...
Thematically Gollum has his own goals (that is reflected by text of the Gollum's Fate) and I do not see a reason to limit the Gollum's Fate to player's Gollum.
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Konrad Klar wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:41 pm
CRF, Errata (Cards), Gollum's Fate wrote:This card is considered to target both The One Ring and Gollum. This means it cannot
be played on your opponent's The One Ring or Gollum.
But doesn't the CRF already state that it must be your Gollum?
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CDavis7M wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:00 pm But doesn't the CRF already state that it must be your Gollum?
Yes. But it is just wrong.
An object is not and cannot become target just because someone stated so.
Text of a card may explicitly say that it is playable on given object, or it may say that some action is performed on specified object.
Mere requiring a presence of some object does not make it target of the card.
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Ok, I understand better. You don't like the CRF clarification and you are using the original language of the card to justify overriding the CRF.

The "clarification" in CRF is not "errata" because there is no change to the text of the card. There is no need for this to be "errata" under ICE's framework because the change does not contradict the card text.
Konrad Klar wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:41 pm
Gollum's Fate wrote:Unique. Only playable if the One Ring and Gollum are both at Mount Doom during the site phase. The One Ring is destroyed and its bearer's player wins. ...even as his eyes were lifted up to gloat on his prize, he stepped too far...and then with a shriek he fell. Out of the depths came his last wail 'precious', and he was gone.-LotRVI
Gollum's Fate does not make any action performed on Gollum. It just requires its presence at Mount Doom during the site phase.
Gollum's Fate DOES have an effect that targets Gollum: Gollum is destroyed just as The One Ring is destroyed. It's right there in the original card and anyone that knows anything about Middle-earth would understand that Gollum is also destroyed. The CRF just clarifies this.
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Maybe a greater size of font will change of meaning of text.
Who knows?

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