The Dark Power

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Konrad Klar
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The Dark Power wrote:Playable only if you are Sauron. +3 to an influence check against a faction. If the check is not successful, shuffle the faction into your play deck. 'But don't forget the enemies don't love us any more than they love Him, and if they get topsides on Him, we're done too.'-LotRIV
Text of the card is unclear. It operates on term a "faction". "an influence check against a faction" does not refer unambiguously to a concrete faction card, but only concrete faction card may be shuffled into play deck.
In case of influencing an opponent's faction there may be even two faction cards involved. If influencing player does not reveal its own copy/manifestation card of the faction, only the opponent's card is involved.

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I propose the following erratum:

"Playable only if you are Sauron. +3 to an influence check against a faction. If the check is not successful, shuffle the faction card you have revealed into your play deck. 'But don't forget the enemies don't love us any more than they love Him, and if they get topsides on Him, we're done too.'-LotRIV"
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I don't think there would be confusion resulting in a player being able to shuffle their opponent's card into their own deck.
CRF Active Conditions wrote:Your opponent's resources may be the active conditions for your resources, but may not be the targets for your resources.
Your opponent's faction cannot be the target of the The Dark Power's effect of placing the faction into your playdeck.

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Konrad Klar wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:02 pm I propose the following erratum:

"Playable only if you are Sauron. +3 to an influence check against a faction. If the check is not successful, shuffle the faction card you have revealed into your play deck. 'But don't forget the enemies don't love us any more than they love Him, and if they get topsides on Him, we're done too.'-LotRIV"
Not only is this proposal not needed, it actually changes how the card works. And if this change were intended then it should have at least been mentioned.

If you reveal a faction during an influence attempt against your opponent's faction, you are still making an influence check against your opponent's faction, not the faction that you revealed. The Dark Power only shuffles the faction that the influence check was made against, not a faction revealed when influencing an opponent's faction.

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The failures in this proposal have roots in the previous discussion:
Konrad Klar wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:32 pm
Bandobras Took wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:17 pm You can't target opponent's resources with your own resources.
Yes.
Only target of The Dark Power is an in influence check against a faction.
"shuffle the faction into your play deck" will happen or not will happen depending on the result of the influence check.
Therefore it is not an action declared at declaration of The Dark Power. Therefore the faction is not target of The Dark Power.
This is wrong. First of all, there is no target of The Dark Power because it is not "playable on an influence check" (this makes no sense). Instead, the influence check modifying effect of The Dark Power targets the influence check, and the "shuffling" includes the action of placing the faction into the play deck, and the placing action targets the faction. It does not matter that the shuffling may or may not happen. The action must be declared in order to be resolved.

The statement "Therefore it is not an action declared at declaration of The Dark Power" has no basis in the rules, and moreover, it contradicts the Timing Rules.
Konrad Klar wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:32 pm The same logic is backing Treason the Greatest Foe. Hero (and potentially opponent's) character is condition of The Dark Power, may be discarded in result of The Dark Power, but is not a target of The Dark Power.
What? The same flawed logic is not needed by Treason the Greatest Foe. The Hero character discarded by Treason the Greatest Foe certainly is a target of the discarding action. It's just that Treason the Greatest Foe specifically overcomes the restriction against resources targeting an opponent's cards.

Like many of the other bogus proposals here, the failure is a result of ignorance of the fact that "the Turn Sequence and Rulings by Term sections are specifically considered clarifications to the rules, and are therefore overridden by card text that specifically does so."
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