Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

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Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by Konrad Klar » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:24 pm

CRF, Errata (Cards), Aware of Their Ways wrote:Consider sites to be unique cards for the play of this card.
I propose the following change:

"Consider site cards and other cards that can be played as a site cards to be unique cards for purposes of interpreting this card."

This would prevent a situation when a company is enforced to return to its site of origin after completing its M/H phase but the card representing its site of origin has been removed from play by Aware of Their Ways.

P.S.
I realize that there are other means of solving of the problem, e.g. returning a card representing a site of origin to play only for purposes of a hosting a returned company.
Additionally the above fix is not complete. It may happen that after completing of M/H of to be returned company, a play deck has been exhausted and a card representing a site of origin is in new play deck, prone to removing from game by Desire All for Thy Belly.
Complementary fix will be published in other tread.
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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by the Jabberwock » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 am

Hmm,

Seems statistically very unlikely....

Player A is using Wondrous Maps/Morannon on the same turn that Player B plays Aware of Their Ways.

Furthermore, I'm confused how this situation is a problem. Once a company's M/H phase is over, the site of origin is discarded (or returned to location deck). At this point, it is too late for a later-played Aware of Their Ways to return that company to its site of origin. (At least, it is too late for how I think most players currently interpret the rules. I will admit, there is some ambiguity as it depends on what side of this debate you take: https://councilofelrond.org/forum/viewt ... 145&t=3544 , so only if you adopt Option #2 would your proposal be relevant). Unless there is something I am missing, it seems we should await the outcome of the linked ballot item before even discussing whether or not this clarification/erratum is worth considering).

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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by Theo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:30 am

the Jabberwock wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 am
Once a company's M/H phase is over, the site of origin is discarded (or returned to location deck). At this point, it is too late for a later-played Aware of Their Ways to return that company to its site of origin.
Illegal company composition (end of all company M/H phases).
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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by the Jabberwock » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:34 am

Theo wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:30 am
the Jabberwock wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 am
Once a company's M/H phase is over, the site of origin is discarded (or returned to location deck). At this point, it is too late for a later-played Aware of Their Ways to return that company to its site of origin.
Illegal company composition (end of all company M/H phases).
Will you please provide a specific example and quote the related rule. Thanks.

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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by Theo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:40 am

CRF wrote:If companies would join at the end of the movement/hazard phase such that the company composition rules are violated, one company of the hazard player's choice must return to its site of origin.
I'm not aware of any minion cards that are used as a site. But Fallen Wizards are prevented from having orcs/trolls with non-men heroes.

Some Orc is chilling at minion Ettenmoors. Some Elf is hanging out in a Refuge. Elf moves to Ettenmoors; Refuge discarded. Orc doesn't move; Refuge removed from the game. Elf must return to Refuge; shucks.
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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by Theo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:05 am

Perhaps a more realistic (less player stupidity) example?

Orc at minion Ettenmoors. Elf at Refuge. Elf moves to Ettenmoors; Refuge discarded. Orc moves to Mount Gundabad; Refuge removed from the game; opponent discards Baduila; Orc returns to Ettenmoors. Elf must return to Refuge. Shucks.
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Re: Aware of Their Ways (clarification)

Post by the Jabberwock » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:04 am

"So you're telling me there's a chance!" .... Dumb and Dumber

Man, it just seems like the odds of all of this happening are so slim:
- Fallen-wizard player using both Orcs/Trolls and Elves/Dwarves/Dunedain
- Fallen-wizard player moving conflicting race companies to the same site (or one company leaving while the other arrives)
- Fallen-wizard player using at the same time a site-replacement resource card
- Hazard player playing Aware of Their Ways immediately during the second M/H phase and choosing the site-replacement resource
- Hazard player has Baduila and uses him (or some other return to originating site effect during the 2nd M/H phase)

I'm having a hard time feeling the long odds of this happening are worth the community voting on a clarification/erratum. :?

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