People Diminished

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Konrad Klar
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People Diminished wrote:Balrog specific. Playable during the site phase on an untapped Free-hold [-me_fh-] or Border-hold [-me_bh-] . Tap the site. The company faces 3 attacks (Men-4 strikes with 8 prowess, 3 strikes with 10 prowess, 2 strikes with 12 prowess). Following the attacks, tap a character or discard this card. If this card is not discarded, discard all unique factions playable at the site. -5 to each attempt against any faction at any version of this site. This site is never discarded and never untaps for you. Cannot be duplicated on a given site.
Currently the text of the card allows to tap after attacks any untapped character (at least any untapped character under control of player).

I propose the following erratum:

"Balrog specific. Playable during the site phase on an untapped Free-hold [-me_fh-] or Border-hold [-me_bh-] if you have a company here. Tap the site. The company at the site faces 3 attacks (Men-4 strikes with 8 prowess, 3 strikes with 10 prowess, 2 strikes with 12 prowess). Following the attacks, tap a character in the company or discard this card. If this card is not discarded, discard all unique factions playable at the site. -5 to each attempt against any faction at any version of this site. This site is never discarded and never untaps for you. Cannot be duplicated on a given site."
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What about Lord and Usurper? Doesn't it suffer from the same problems?

Interesting that the wording ICE chose for Invade Their Domain avoids all such problems.

RE: People Diminished / Tempest of Fire .... when would you not have a company present during the site phase if the associated site was in play? If some other effect is preventing such a site from being discarded?
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the Jabberwock wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 am What about Lord and Usurper? Doesn't it suffer from the same problems?
Yes. I had hope that someone will make the errata proposal for it.
But all are lazy like me.
the Jabberwock wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 am RE: People Diminished / Tempest of Fire .... when would you not have a company present during the site phase if the associated site was in play? If some other effect is preventing such a site from being discarded?
Yes.

Besides, even if you have a company here, original text does not precise that the company faces attacks.
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The proposal misunderstands how the Site Phase works. I find it very unlikely that anyone else actually takes the interpretation presented in the proposal.
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Konrad Klar wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:36 am
the Jabberwock wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 am RE: People Diminished / Tempest of Fire .... when would you not have a company present during the site phase if the associated site was in play? If some other effect is preventing such a site from being discarded?
Yes.
...There are no effects that would allow the Balrog to have an untapped site remain in play such that People Diminished could be played on it. Furthermore, site cards do not have site phases on their own. Only companies have site phases. People Diminished, Tempest of Fire, and other site-phase resources are played at Step (3) of the Site Phase for a particular company at a particular site. The brevity of such site-phase resources does not override the general workings of the Site Phase.

People Diminished, Tempest of Fire, and other site-phase resources are only playable during Step (3) on the site that a company entered at Step (1).

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Konrad Klar wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:36 am Besides, even if you have a company here, original text does not precise that the company faces attacks.
Wrong. These cards are specifically playable during the site phase -- some specific company's site phase. "The company" that faces the attacks in People Diminished is necessarily the company that is taking Step (3) of their site phase during which this case is played. Again, the brevity of the card does not override how the site phase works.

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Konrad Klar wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:36 pm Currently the text of the card allows to tap after attacks any untapped character (at least any untapped character under control of player).
This resource is being played by a company during the company's site phase. That the card text merely states "tap a character" is not strong enough to overcome the presumption that the character tapping to successfully play a site-phase resource during a company's site phase must be in that company. This is clear because some other character in another company cannot play a site-phase resource during some other company's site-phase because they have not entered that site.
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