The Under-gates

Any rule erratum or clarification submission for the upcoming 2019 ARV should be posted here.
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Khamul the Easterling
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I propose the current parts of the Hero/Minion versions, being
Automatic-attacks (2):
Balrog (1st attack) -- 2 strikes with 16 prowess
(2nd attack) [...]
Special:
[Hero:] If Balrog of Moria is in play or if Durin's Bane has been defeated, the first automatic attack is canceled.
[Minion:] If a manifestation of Balrog of Moria is in play or defeated, the first automatic attack is canceled
be replaced by
Automatic-attacks (2):
(1st attack) If a manifestation of Balrog of Moria is not in play or defeated: Balrog -- 2 strikes with 16 prowess
(2nd attack) [...]
Special: ...
Reason: As I understand, if BoM is in play, the first AA does still exist, technically. One could argue that, e. g., Tidings of Bold spies could trigger a Balrog attack, as Tobs doubles the attack but not the cancelling effect.
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Bandobras Took
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There are also problems with Forewarned is Forearmed.

I would suggest rather "If a manifestation of the Balrog is in play or has been defeated (or eliminated), this automatic-attack is removed." Just to make it clear that there is no attack whatsoever, and to handle cases of character/ally manifestations, which technically are not defeated.
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CDavis7M
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The original idea and with Brandobras's suggested fix make sense, but I don't know if it's really worth changing.
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