Orc faction - overt?

[Eyelid]

Hello to all,

I was wondering if a covert company that successfully influences an Orc faction becomes an overt company.
My guess would be no, it doesn't, since the Lidless Eye rules state that

Any company that contains a Ringwraith in Fell Rider mode, an Orc, or a Troll is an overt company.

and also that

Once a faction is brought into play, it is not associated with any character or company.

Is this the correct interpretation?

Thanks.

[Konrad Klar]

Is a faction ever associated with a character?

[Eyelid]

No, according to the rules, it isn't. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a ruling on this.

[Bandobras Took]

Is a faction ever associated with a character?

In the case where a leader influences one of the Minion Factions that allows you to place the faction with the leader, yes, but even then, factions are never listed as making a company overt.

[Eyelid]

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

[Konrad Klar]

Is a faction ever associated with a character?

In the case where a leader influences one of the Minion Factions that allows you to place the faction with the leader, yes, but even then, factions are never listed as making a company overt.

Ach. So ability of Stone Trolls is exception from:

Once a faction is brought into play, it is not associated with any character or company.

And thanks to this exception the rule finally makes a sense.