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Waiting Shadow

Post by CDavis7M » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 am

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What does it do?

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by meaglyn » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:05 am

Taps an (untapped) orc, troll or man character (or any untapped character if DoN), no?

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Kjeld » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:25 am

The "any one character" is probably used to highlight the contrast against the non-DoN restriction of Orc, Troll, or Man character.

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by CDavis7M » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:07 am

Some hazards have one effect up front and then an alternative effect if Doors of Night is in play (Awaken the Earth's Fire, Choking Shadows, Drowning Seas, Eye of Sauron, Gloom, New Moon, From the Pits of Angband, etc)

Some hazards have one effect up front and then an additional effect if Doors of Night is in play (Fell Winter, Foul Fumes, Long Winter, Night, Plague of Wights, Shadow of Mordor, Sleepless Malice, Worm's Stench, etc.)

Some hazards use parentheses to indicate differences when Doors of Night is in play (Dragon's Desolation, Minions Stir, Wake of War, Stormcrow, An Unexpected Outpost, Doubled Vigilance, Drums, No Way Forward, Chill Them with Fear, Stench of Mordor, Tidings of Doubt and Danger, etc.)



Waiting Shadow doesn't doesn't use any of these conventions. Normally I would expect all effects to be declared unless the card used "alternatively." But it seems that's not so.

Thanks for your input guys. I checked the Players Guide and it seems consistent.

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Konrad Klar » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:40 am

CDavis7M wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 am
What does it do?
It is playable on company (not on character), and character to be tapped is chosen as part of main effect (by defender).
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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Konrad Klar » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:38 pm

The card has unusual playability conditions, that can change between declaration and resolution (depending on presence of Doors of Night in play).
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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Konrad Klar » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:18 am

Konrad Klar wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:38 pm
The card has unusual playability conditions, that can change between declaration and resolution (depending on presence of Doors of Night in play).
That was only a first impression.

The playability conditions may be expressed as:

Target company with untapped character and Doors of Night is in play OR target company with untapped Orc, Troll, or Man character.

and they do not look then as unusual.
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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by CDavis7M » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:15 pm

Right.

Still, the bold "and" is confusing, especially given the lack of the word "instead" at the end of the sentence.

I would have expected to see the Doors of Night boost in parenthesis. But maybe "(defender's choice)" removed that option.

Thanks for your input guys.

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Theo » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:07 am

Does the defender choose which character, or whether the character to be targeted is an Orc, Troll, or Man? ;)

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by CDavis7M » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:19 am

Yes, and "defender" of what?

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Re: Waiting Shadow

Post by Konrad Klar » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:19 am

Environment. Playable on a company with an untapped Orc, Troll, or Man character. Tap an Orc, Troll, or Man character in that company (defender's choice). If Doors of Night is in play, the company need not contain an Orc, Troll, or Man and any one character in that company is tapped (defender's choice).
Someone would protest against errata:

"Environment. Playable on a company with an untapped Orc, Troll, or Man character. Tap an Orc, Troll, or Man character in that company (defender's choice). If Doors of Night is in play, the company need not contain an Orc, Troll, or Man and any one character in that company (defender's choice) is tapped."

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