Hero Pallando, discarding face-up and face-up discard pile

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Hero Pallando, discarding face-up and face-up discard pile

Post by Konrad Klar » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:35 am

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Unique. His controlling player may keep one more card than normal in his hand. Opponent must discard his cards face up. "They came therefore in the shape of Men, though they were never young and aged only slowly..."-LotR Home Site: Grey Havens
Common practice is an inverting face-up the cards in discard pile and placing face-up cards discarded face-up on top of the pile, when effects like Hero Pallando comes in play (and when first card of opponent is being discarded).

I doubt whether it is a correct practice.
Firstly, it reveals more information that it is required. Player may search for a card in his face-up discard pile and then his opponent knows whether he chose top card or other card from discard pile. This is more information than just knowing an obverse of discarded card.
Secondly, the situation complicates in multiplayer games. Not only the players allowed to see an obverse of discarded card have above information, but all players have access to them.

EDIT:
"avers" -> "obverse"
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Re: Hero Pallando, discarding face-up and face-up discard pile

Post by Theo » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:36 pm

Aver is normally a verb. Are you talking about status?

As for common practice, I've not played with anyone that thought that the existing discard pile must be inverted.
CRF wrote:Cards discarded from a player's hand must be discarded one at a time. This is mainly to allow a Pallando player to see each card as it is discarded.
CRF wrote:Pallando
Can only see the top card of an opponent's discard pile.
Yes, this means that if the player manipulates the top card then the other players know it. I do not understand your concern about the top card being revealed to multiple players; is it just for story reasons? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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Re: Hero Pallando, discarding face-up and face-up discard pile

Post by Konrad Klar » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:45 am

:oops:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awers_i_rewers
I had in mind an obverse of card.
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Re: Hero Pallando, discarding face-up and face-up discard pile

Post by Konrad Klar » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:13 pm

Theo wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:36 pm
Yes, this means that if the player manipulates the top card then the other players know it. I do not understand your concern about the top card being revealed to multiple players; is it just for story reasons? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
The story is that the supposed purpose of the concept of discarding face-up does not match its implementation.
Supposed purpose is giving a player (who has appropriate effect) information about what is an obverse of discarded card, and nothing more.
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