Council of Elrond

Is this combination possible?

LDR:
Hazard Short-event
Playable on a moving company with at least one Wilderness in its site path if you have at least 10 cards in your play deck. Reveal the top seven cards of your play deck. One revealed Nazgûl, Dragon, or a non-unique creature of your choice immediatly attacks the company (regardless of its playability requirements). The creature must be playable in a region besides Coastal Sea. If the creature could not normally be played on the company, modify its prowess by -4. Shuffle all unused cards and return them to the top of your play deck.

WFB:
Drake. Three strikes. Attacker chooses defending characters. Unless this attack is cancelled, all untapped characters in defending company are tapped following attack. Two Shadow-lands [s] in site path are required.

Yes (where is problem?).

I'd always thought it was playable, however, miguel pointed out that 2 Shadow-lands are required for WFB and LDR states "The creature must be playable in some region besides Coastal Sea" (region being singular).

Even though a creature requires multiple regions to be played they are still played in a (singular) region. The multiple regions requirement just means these creatures are very rare.

"In some region" is not the same as "keyed to region".

What means "in some region"?
In may opinion craeatures not playable in some region besides Coastal Sea are creatures that may be played keyed to Coastal Sea and/or at site in Cosastal Sea and/or under-deep site only.

Where attack from WFB takes place? In some non-Coastal Sea region, or in some non-Coastal Sea regions at route from Lorien to Dead Marshes?

Lidless Eye, Starter Rules, Playing and Drawing Cards, Creature Cards wrote:Clarification: Two Wilderness symbols are required in a site path to play a deep Wilderness creature. However, the two symbols need not be adjacent in the site path. For example, a deep Wilderness creature may be played keyed to the site path: wbbw. If a company travels with two Wilderness in its site path, the chance of encountering very dangerous Wilderness monsters has doubled, even if the two Wildernesses are not adjacent.

First of all I think the quote from LDR should say "a region" instead of "some region" (the card says "a region" and GCCG "some region" but there is no errata like that about LDR).

Second, I don't get the idea that a creature requiring to be played would "attack" in only one spesific region. The creature in this case is keyed to the sitepath as a whole, not any spesific regions. If you want a story with that, I'd say the creature simply attacks sometime during the company's travel.

MELE Starter Rules: Playing and Drawing Cards: Creature Cards wrote:Clarification: Two wilderness symbols are required in a site path to play a deep Wilderness creature. However, the two symbols need not be adjacent in the site path. For example, a deep Wilderness creature may be played keyed to the site path: w b b w.

Therefore I think LDR should be able to only get creatures that require a single (non-coastal) region to be played in.

Of course its legal. If you have used the correct text then 'Some' is actually plural. I'm sure I have read an ICE example stating this is legal.

sly southerner wrote:Of course its legal. If you have used the correct text then 'Some' is actually plural.

Ehh. The correct version is "a region", not "some region".

sly southerner wrote:I'm sure I have read an ICE example stating this is legal.

And I'm sure I have never read such a thing... Unless you can tell us where you read it, that doesn't help.

Miguel is right, it is "a region." The Dutch Council spoiler list where I copied and pasted it from has it as "some region."

Regardless, WFB is still playable in a region other than coastal sea. I think the card is just referring to regions as singular because that's what they are in reality. Double wildnerness is still wilderness region and likewise double shadow-land is still shadow-land. We often hear how ICE's text on some cards isn't ideal and shouldn't be read to deeply, and maybe this is just another case of such a card?

In the true literal meaning how could a creature be keyed to two regions ( unless of course the size of the creature was so vast to span...)

I must make a clarification to my original statement, just in case. You key the Wild Fell Best to the site path, but you must still spesify the regions a creature is keyed to as well. But note that a sitepath of requires you to only say you key WFB to , but you do not need to spesify which two of the three shadow-lands you are using...

Anyhoo, back on subject:

Angmar Arises wrote:Any creature that can be keyed to a Shadow-land may be keyed to Forochel...

CRF: Turn Sequence Rulings: Movement/Hazard Phase: Playing Hazards wrote:Angmar Arises, In Darkness Bind Them, and Reaching Shadow may not be used to play creatures keyed to double shadow-lands.

According to this, there indeed is a difference between creatures requiring one region to be played and those requiring more.


To me LDR's "a region besides " means the same as "a or or or or or any region like this spesified by name".

Jambo wrote:We often hear how ICE's text on some cards isn't ideal and shouldn't be read to deeply, and maybe this is just another case of such a card?

I don't see reasons to reading strictly some singular/plural forms of wordings if they are not worded strictly itself.

CRF wrote:A creature "played at" a site is the same as being "keyed to" the site.
A creature "played at a site in" a region is the same as being "keyed to" the site by name.

And nothing about creatures played "in region". Angmar Arises says about creatures keyed to or

Konrad Klar wrote:

CRF wrote:A creature "played at" a site is the same as being "keyed to" the site.
A creature "played at a site in" a region is the same as being "keyed to" the site by name.

And nothing about creatures played "in region". Angmar Arises says about creatures keyed to or

According to that CRF entry, it makes perfect sense to me to treat "playable in a region" as "keyable to a region". What else could it possibly mean?

Hmm, you may be right I cant find any reference to support by comment above, its just the way I've always played it.

miguel wrote:

Konrad Klar wrote:

CRF wrote:A creature "played at" a site is the same as being "keyed to" the site.
A creature "played at a site in" a region is the same as being "keyed to" the site by name.

And nothing about creatures played "in region". Angmar Arises says about creatures keyed to or

According to that CRF entry, it makes perfect sense to me to treat "playable in a region" as "keyable to a region". What else could it possibly mean?

So all creatures playable at site only (e.g. Assasin) cannot be used with Long Dark Reach in your opinion?

That sounds right to me. The creatures must be playable in a region -- there is no region where an assassin is playable.