Morgul-Knife vs The Pale Sword

[Konrad Klar]

I think that there may be (c).

Some background.

Corruption checks triggered at the end of the untap phase happen after everyone
untaps.

This is overall imprecise. Nothing is referred by "everyone" in other texts of rules and cards.
Not sure whether "everyone" refer to every character, or to every card.

But regardless of resolution of the question, other question remains:
what if in untap phase no card has been untapped?
Is corruption check from Lure of Senses not triggered in such situation?
There would not be an end of the untap phase?

If trigger is set on end of actual operations of untapping, then yes.
A solution may be setting the trigger on a time in which all potential untap operations should be completed.

And this is idea behind variant (c).

"If at a Haven during his untap phase, a character with this card may attempt to remove it (but not untap or heal)."
specifies site and time at/in which the character may potentially untap/heal. Whether the character is actually able to perform untap/heal is not checked (may be untapped, tapped and control Dreams of Lore etc.) .

This means that after the attempt, a time which the character may potentially untap/heal passes. So the character cannot untap/heal. or make next attempt to remove that or another copy of Morgul-knife.

[Jose-san]

So which one is the right, if there is one...

[Konrad Klar]

I think that (c) is consistent with interpretation of "CRF, Turn Sequence, Untap Phase", which allow the game to be proceeded in case when no card has been untapped in Untap Phase.

[Jose-san]

Going back to The Pale Sword. According with interpretation (c), would you say that a character with The Pale Sword, untapped at a Haven during the untap phase can try to remove The Pale Sword even though he can't untap (because he's already untapped), because the text on The Pale Sword should read "instead of potentially heal/untap"?

[Konrad Klar]

No. Just because text is "may attempt to remove it instead of untapping or healing".
If to allow an untapped character with The Pale Sword to make attempt to remove it at time when he could potentially untap/heal, then consistency would require to allow tapped/wounded character to play minor item from under Armory.
Potential opportunity but lack of ability to take it, in both cases.

Only you and your companies can use Armory. You may place any minor items from your hand under Armory during your organization phase. A character at a Haven [H] can store a minor item under Armory instead of to your marshalling point pile. When you otherwise would be allowed to play a minor item from your hand at a Border-hold , Free-hold [F], or Haven [H], you may play an item from under Armory instead. If you have at least three minor items under Armory, gain 1 marshalling point.

I do not want to stretch anything. I'm trying to find an interpretation where text is unclear.

[Jose-san]

Ok, thanks!

[Jose-san]

I have another question about these cards and Icy Touch. At which time are playable?

(a) At any time before the attack. Can target any attack of the specifierd type.
(b) At any time before the attack. Must target the first attack of the specifierd type.
(c) After the attack is declared.

[Konrad Klar]

May be played when attack of given type is faced.

[Konrad Klar]

May be played when attack of given type is faced.

May be played when attack of given type is being faced.

[Jose-san]

Understood, thanks!

[Jose-san]

How would interact Worn and Famished with The Pale Sword and Morgul-knife?

[Konrad Klar]

They simply do not interact.
Attempt to remove The Pale Sword, or Morgul-knife may be made in Untap Phase by character at Haven.
Worn and Famished affects a characters in Untap Phase not at Haven, Free-hold, Border-hold.

Hypothetical variant of Worn and Famished that would affect a character at Haven would interact in following way:
- tapped character with The Pale Sword would have choice: untap/attempt to remove/nothing. If he would choose untap, then he would make procedure described in text of Worn and Famished,
- according to any currently known interpretation of Morgul-knife, character with the card does not have an option to untap (in Untap Phase, at Haven), thus has not chance to make any procedure substitutionary to untap. In short: there is no interaction.

[Jose-san]

My bad, I didn't read it right. Thank you very much!