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Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:32 am
by Theo
What is "the attack's prowess" in CvCC? The highest prowess of the attacking characters seems reasonable? Or maybe the attack is considered to not have a defined prowess?
[thread originally titled True Fana vs CvCC]
Re: True Fána vs CvCC
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:06 am
by the JabberwocK
True Fana may not be used in CvCC.
Re: True Fána vs CvCC
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:30 am
by Theo
Ahh, it wasn't under the True Fana errata; I see it under CvCC now.
What about Adunaphel Unleashed / Foul Trophies / alternative use of Hounds of Sauron or Orc Quarrels, etc? When the strikes come from separate sources, who chooses the source(s) reduced to?
Re: True Fána vs CvCC
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:53 am
by Konrad Klar
Lidless Eye, Using MELE with METW, Combat, Company vs. Company Combat wrote:Note: Cards that affect the number of strikes of an attack have no effect on company vs. company combat.
Re: True Fána vs CvCC
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:04 am
by Theo
Heh, third try! What about The Old Thrush? Allowed if any character in an attacking company has a prowess of 13 or more? Or all?
Potentially hilarious with 3x Praise to Elbereth...
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:19 am
by Bandobras Took
CRF, The Old Thrush wrote:Cannot be used against agents, since none of them have a listed prowess of 13 or greater.
I believe the same applies to CvCC. It would seem that Old Thrush checks for the "normal" prowess of a given attack.
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:17 am
by Theo
I would not have expected an implicit argument from you, Bandobras!
Unfortunately, this does not avail the current situation, since The Balrog is a 13/9 Ally who becomes a strike in CvCC.
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:20 am
by Bandobras Took
In that case, I would see nothing preventing Old Thrush from being used.
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:23 am
by the JabberwocK
@ Theo -
So are you suggesting that if The Balrog (ally) was part of an attacking company (CvCC), and The Old Thrush was played by the defending company, that the entire attacking company would suffer -3 to prowess and body? Or only the strike by The Balrog would suffer the penalties?
I would think this card is not even playable in this scenario unless all of the attacking characters/allies had a "normal prowess" of 13 or greater. Unlike a hazard creature which has a defined prowess, during CvCC an attack has no defined prowess (that I'm aware of), but rather is simply an attack consisting of various strikes, each with its own prowess attribute.
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:01 pm
by Bandobras Took
@ Jabberwock: By that logic, automatic-attacks don't have a prowess, either -- they just consist of strikes with their own prowess. Which becomes even more odd when a creature is used as an automatic-attack.
I think Old Thrush checks whether a given attack does have a listed prowess of thirteen, not whether it doesn't. I would say it does if at least one of its strikes does.
Re: Attack's Prowess in CvCC
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:37 am
by Theo
Nigh two years later, here's a claim that the attack's prowess is the minimum of the strike's prowess (at least for greater-than conditions).
ICE Rules Digest 83 wrote:
I wrote:
>From: "Isaac S. Demme" <thrr-...@geocities.com>
>>the high 20's were not uncommon which led me to wonder if I could use Old Thrush in CVCC (I think not, but if I can tell me).
>
>Only if you are the defender.
Fumbled that one. You would have to be the defender, and all of the characters would have to have a normal prowess of 13 or more. So you would never get a chance to play it.