Of course I've read this ruling. This is not even the only ruling so keep reading.Theo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:19 am Regarding "inconsistency" with Orc attacks and King Under the Mountain: I'm not sure what you are calling an inconsistency. Do you mean, "These mechanics are not realistic with the story theme?" I'm not sure what Orc Lieutenant's ability has to do with story theme in the first place, so can't comment there.
Since I know you like Netrep rulings:
If we accept this, then Konrad's question about a merge seems to be answered by "You have to pick one history".ICE Netrep (Ichabod) 97/9/11 wrote: >Ichabod wrote:
>>
>> That would be a no, and let me clarify. King Under the Mountain says
>> "if his company defeated the Dragon..." That means the dwarf's current
>> company must be the same company that defeated the Dragon.
>
>This touches upon something that's been asked before, but I can't
>remember if there was an answer.
>
>How do you judge if a company is still the same company as before? Does
>it have to contain exactly the same characters? Is it OK of someone
>joins, but not if someone leaves? What if someone leaves and then comes
>back? Is it enough that just one of the original characters is in the
>company? If the company splits, is just one of them the original
>company, or both, or none? What if they split and then rejoin? What's
>the meaning of life?
When a company splits, you have to decide which part of the company
is the original company. The decision is up to the person who is
splitting the company. When two companies join you have to decide
which of the two companies the new company is, although effects on
either company now effect the whole company. When you play a character
with a company, that company remains the same company.
So you have company A, with characters X, Y, and Z. Z splits into
his own company. You get to decide whether X and Y are company A,
or whether Z is company A. Let's say you make Z company A, and now
X and Y are company B. Next turn, you play W with X and Y. This is
still company B. Then company A moves to the same site, and has a
River played on it. You decide to make the combined company of W,
X, Y, and Z into company B, but they still have to deal with the
River.
Clear so far?
So Thorin is in the Dragon-defeating company, and is the only character
in the company. The Opponent company comes along and influences him
away. This means Thorin is played with the Opponent company, and
becomes part of the Opponent company. The Dragon-defeating company
is gone, and your opponent cannot play King Under the Mountain.
BTW, 42 and we'll be by to pick up your liver tommorow.
Good example. /thumbsup
You're either having a reading comprehension problem or you have intentionally and deceptively left out the original question and answer. There are 2 different but related concepts being discussed in the ruling, (A) defeating an At Home Dragon for King Under the Mountain (B) Resource effects on a company.
The determination of (A) whether "his company has defeated an at home Dragon manifestation attack" for King Under the Mountain does not follow the same rules as (B) deciding which company is the original company for purposes of RESOURCE EFFECTS on the company.
For (A) Determining whether "his company has defeated an at home Dragon manifestation attack" for King Under the Mountain, Ichabod ruled in that same thread:
He HAD TO BE in the company that defeated the dragon. It is not sufficient merely "be in the company that defeated the dragon" by joining that company later.>3. Does the Dwarf have to be at the site where the At Home dragon was
>defeated in order to play King Under the Mountain?
No, but he had to be in the company that defeated the At Home manifestation.
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>> >3. Does the Dwarf have to be at the site where the At Home dragon was
>> >defeated in order to play King Under the Mountain?
>>
>> No, but he had to be in the company that defeated the At Home manifestation.
>Question on this---
> If Thorin's company defeats an At Home Dragon and then Thorin is
>influenced away by the opponent can he/she then play King Under the
>Mountain?
That would be a no, and let me clarify. King Under the Mountain says
"if his company defeated the Dragon..." That means the dwarf's current
company must be the same company that defeated the Dragon.
Read the rule. It only applies to resource effects, not to defeating dragons or facing attacks. The player CANNOT choose to have the company inherit defeat of a dragon. If Thorin defeats an At Home Dragon and then Balin moves to join Thorin on a later turn, at no point did Balin's company defeat an At Home Dragon.