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CRF, Rulings by Term, Stored wrote:Stored cards are not considered to be in play, except for uniqueness.
The White Hand: Legacy of Smiths
Rarity: Common, Precise: C3

Resource: Permanent-event

Playable if you have more than 6 [-me_sp-] . Your non-ring items are each worth full Marshaling points. Cannot be duplicated by a given player. "Many things of wealth and beauty come to the Wizard who seeks power outside the balance of the Song of the Ainur"-Kuduk Lore
The White Hand: Blind to All Else
Rarity: Common, Precise: C3

Resource: Permanent-event

Your ring items are each worth full Marshaling points. Cannot be duplicated by a given player. "'...a lust which he could not conceal shone suddenly in his eyes.'"-LotRII
What in texts of the two event cards supersedes the CRF entry?
Why they would affect stored items, or generally items not in play?
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Cards in the MP pile are not in play (active play) but are still in the game.

Cards that affect marshalling points could affect cards in the MP pile as they specify MP. Here, the effects don't affect the cards in the MP pile, just the calculation. But it doesn't matter. The CRF entry is just a clarification of the rules. In fact, it's not even a clarification of anything. This is specified in the rules, section 2.
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For minion player: does Rumor of the One affect MP and CP of stored rings?
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What are consequences of "not being in play except for uniqueness" (that is state of stored cards)?

Can Palantir of Osgiliath be used to duplicate the effect of stored Palantir of Orthanc? I think: no.
Does minion The Arkenstone affect mind of Dwarf characters? I think: no.
Do some stored items tap if action from Slip Treacherously is executed? I think: no.
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Things that are not in play can't be played with and do not play with others.
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Which things play with others?
Which things already in play can be played (with or at all)?
Are the cards on hand considered as being in play? Can they be played (with or at all)?
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The game is using the words according to their standard meaning. I double checked my dictionary.

Cards in play are in play though sometimes effects of cards can be in play for a duration when the card is not.

Card in hand are in hand. They can be played and then they are in play.

Cards in decks are in decks. Cards in piles are in piles.
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If Rumor of the One not affecting MPs of rings stored by non-FW is OK, AND Legacy of Smiths and Blind to All Else are expected to affect stored items, THEN Legacy of Smiths and Blind to All Else need errata.
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Rumor of the One affects the count of "marshalling points for all ring items."

The rules describe two places where the marshalling points for ring items are counted.

Rumor affects MPs for all rings items, including ring items in those two places.
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Which effects in play do not affect stored items? Some examples.
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Which effects in play do not affect stored items and affect not stored items?
Besides Slip Treacherously.
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The MP pile is not in play. If a card affects it then it will say something. There's no keyword for this.

Maybe some of the confusion about the MP pile is a result of the failure of the never released War Hosts expansion that let factions move and do battle (I believe it repeatedly failed and was continuously worked on). No good mechanic was discovered and so factions just sat in play until people no longer bothered and they just went into the MP pile. Which is confusing because this is not what the MP pile is for.

The few cards that do use factions know the truth: factions are in play. They are in the play area. That's how you play with them. Unless they are with Sentinels.

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Konrad Klar wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:09 pm What in texts of the two event cards supersedes the CRF entry?
Why they would affect stored items, or generally items not in play?
Going back to the original question, I don't think it makes sense to talk about overriding a clarification to a rule out of context from the rule being clarified (in Section 2).

But at least here, these cards affect "marshalling points". Such cards are in the MP pile.
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Factions are in MP pile too (unless Sentinels of Númenor says wrongly), but are not stored.
Stored cards are not considered to be in play, except for uniqueness.
is not about MP pile, but about stored cards.
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The White Hand: Man of Skill
Rarity: Uncommon, Precise: U3

Resource: Permanent-event

Unique. Saruman specific. Your permanent-events that require a site where Information is playable are each worth 2 Marshaling points. "'.,..there lies in Minas Tirith still, unread, I guess, by any save Saruman and myself since the kings failed, a scroll that Isildur made himself.'"-LotRII
should be added to the picture.
The card does not say about stored events, nor about events otherwise not in play. And even if described event normally would bot not give MP, it will be worth 2MP (restrictions that says that some event is only worth MP when stored still applies).
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