Messenger of Mordor

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The Lidless Eye: Messenger of Mordor
Rarity: Rare, Precise: R

Resource: Short-event

Magic. Spirit-magic. Playable on a spirit-magic using character at a [-me_dha-], [-me_sh-], or [-me_dh-]. Any items and resource events with his company that can be stored at a [-me_dha-] may now be so stored. Unless he is a Ringwraith, character makes a corruption check modified by -4.
Timing of effects ot the card is uncertain for me. Storing of some resources involves corruption check. The card does not specify any period by which its effect is active, so presumably some resources are stored in result of main effect of the card, immediately after the card is resolved in it chain of effects. If it is not decided at declaration that cards will be stored then associated ccs are not declared too.
Or maybe ccs are not needed?
Or maybe the card creates inner chains of effects, in which storing is declared, and cc may affected by action declared in response?
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here you go.
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Knowing what a word "now" means, it is easier to understand text of Messenger of Mordor than without such knowledge.

That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
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Usually an example helps. Like, a Lure of Power and Messenger of Mordor. Or an attack, messenger of mordor, and call of home. etc etc.


What were you thinking of?
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CDavis7M wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:52 pm What were you thinking of?
Maybe ccs are not needed?
Or maybe the card creates inner chains of effects, in which storing is declared, and cc may be affected by action declared in response?

There is company at Mount Gram and has 3 item that may be stored.

a)
Messenger of Mordor is declared and nothing in response.
Messenger of Mordor resolves and player stores any of the 3 items. No ccs are performed.

b)
Messenger of Mordor is declared; player decides at the point which of the 3 items will be stored.
He decides that 2 items will be stored; 2 ccs are declared along with declaration of Messenger of Mordor and the 2 ccs may be targeted by other actions declared in response.

Order of declarations is:

CC for item #2
CC for item #1
Messenger of Mordor
Other actions declared in response

c)
Messenger of Mordor is declared; player does not decide at the point which of the 3 items will be stored.
Messenger of Mordor resolves and now player may decide for each item to not store it or declare that the item will be stored and may declare in response action that will target associated cc.
In this case this means inner chains of effects*.

*) For those who do not like the term "inner chain of effects":
Situation that happens when Smoke on the Wind is resolved, Men-5 strikes with 8 prowess is faced and now player declares Orc Quarrels.
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2 points:

1. Some terms of the game cannot be understood separate from the rules for those terms and so they follow the rules. This comes up here and there.

2. There doesn't appear to be any timing issue or gameplay issue in the examples.

*) bonus: some things are specifically exceptions to the timing rules
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CDavis7M wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:52 pm Usually an example helps. Like, a Lure of Power and Messenger of Mordor. Or an attack, messenger of mordor, and call of home. etc etc.


What were you thinking of?
So put it straight, like to the novice player.

There is company at Mount Gram and has 3 item that may be stored. End-of-turn phase.
Messenger of Mordor is played and what happens then?
Or maybe cannot be played?
We will not speak of such things even in the morning of the Shire.
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