That was not my conclusion. I never said that the play is illegal because there is no reason to declare a 2nd copy of Minions Stir.
My conclusion was that because a hazard limit increasing effect was mentioned in the same chain of effects, that means that there was not sufficient hazard limit without that effect. I said:
-----CDavis7M wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:57 pm Given that the scenario includes tapping of Power Built By Waiting to increase the hazard limit, it's clear that there is no further hazard limit to play the second copy of Minions Stir. Therefore, the answer is NO, the chain is not legal because the copy of Minions Stir may not be declared before the hazard limit increase effect of Power Built by Waiting.
This is not how the game works. The hazard player is not just blindingly playing cards. The player would know whether they can negate Marvels Told in the same chain of effects and so they would not declare a second copy of Minions Stir. Moreover they cannot attempt to play the 2nd copy of Minions Stir for no effect (it cannot be duplicated).Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:08 pm There may be a reason. If something will make Marvels Told fizzled, there may be two Minions Stir in play!
It would not provoke an opponent that understands the timing rules. Given the scenario presented (since you didn't mention another scenario), it would not be legal to declare a second copy of Marvels Told targeting Minions Stir since it would be played for no effect. A second copy could only be declared in response to an effect that would negate the earlier declared copy of Marvels Told.Konrad Klar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:08 pm And tapping Power Built by Waiting in response to Marvels Told may either provoke an opponent to play another Marvels Told/similar card/similar action, or may prevent the opponent from doing so (in next chain of effects), if he would respond with Dark Tryst and got another copy of Marvels Told.