CoE 65 wrote:What are "marshalling point cards", for the purposes of revealing them during the End-of-Game?
MELE rulebook p.74:
"At the Audience/Council, you may reveal any unique marshalling point cards in your hand that match unique cards that your opponent has in play. You may also reveal any marshalling point cards in your hand that are manifestations of cards that your opponent has in play. Each such revealed card reduces your opponent's marshalling point total by one."
CRF, Turn Sequence Rulings, End-of-Game:
"Subtract any points that are subtracted from your total, including points from unique resources your opponent has duplicated in his hand."
*** You may reveal any unique cards that add to your opponent's marshalling point total. These cards can be manifestations of one another. Neither your card nor your opponent's card can be hazards for purposes of deck construction or played as hazards. On to the examples:
a) Can I reveal Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) if my opponent has Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) in play?
b) Can I reveal Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) if my opponent has stored Red Book of Westmarch (Hero)?
c) Can I reveal Elwen if I am a Hero player and my opponent is a Minion player and has played her as a character?
d) Can I reveal Elwen if my opponent has played her as an agent (face-up)?
e) Can I reveal Elwen and Baduila if I am a FW player and my opponent is a Minion player and has played them as characters?
f) Can I reveal My Precious if my opponent has Gollum or Stinker in play?
g) Can I reveal Gollum or Stinker if my opponent has played My Precious (face-up)?
h) Can I reveal Smaug Ahunt if my opponent has Smaug Roused in play?
i) Can I reveal Elrond if my opponent has Master of the House in play?
*** b and e are legal. All the others are not due to the ruling above.
A card does not need to "add to your opponent's marshalling point total" (CoE) in order to be considered a "marshalling point card" (the rules). A "marshalling point card" is not the same as a "card that gives marshalling points." Some cards have effects that given marshalling points (Armory, Tribute Garnered, etc) but which are not marshalling point cards themselves. Marshalling points are an attribute of characters and items. An item card may
have marshalling points that are not
received by the player unless some condition is met, but the card still has marshalling points.
This is a bit confusing because the same card format is used for different types of cards. In some cases, a value is not an attribute but it is merely a reminder: "
for emphasis, a value used during play is often provided both in a card's text and in another place on the same card."
Item cards and Character cards have marshalling points. They are marshalling point cards.
Hazard creatures, agents, and events do not have marshalling points. The number is a reminder of the marshalling points received if they are defeated / the event conditions are met.
(MELE p. 7) The winner of the game is the player that has gathered the most marshalling points from:
• Control of resources: characters, allies, items, and factions.
• Defeating certain creatures.
• Carrying out the instructions on resource cards.
Marshalling points are printed on the top left corner of the cards.
(MELE p. 16) Marshalling Points [ upper left]: This is the number of marshalling points you receive when you have the character in play. This value represents the character's importance to Sauron.
(MELE p.90) Marshalling points: The number printed in a card 's upper left corner.
a) Can I reveal Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) if my opponent has Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) in play? Yes. Both are MP cards
b) Can I reveal Red Book of Westmarch (Hero) if my opponent has stored Red Book of Westmarch (Hero)? Yes. Both are MP cards
c) Can I reveal Elwen if I am a Hero player and my opponent is a Minion player and has played her as a character? No. Elwen is not an MP card for the hero, it is a hazard.
d) Can I reveal Elwen if my opponent has played her as an agent (face-up)? No. Elwen is not an MP card for the opponent when played as an agent.
e) Can I reveal Elwen and Baduila if I am a FW player and my opponent is a Minion player and has played them as characters? Yes. FW use minion rules for agents and so they are considered both characters and hazards in hand.
f) Can I reveal My Precious if my opponent has Gollum or Stinker in play? No. My Precious is not an MP card and the Manifestation rules do not apply to this situation.
g) Can I reveal Gollum or Stinker if my opponent has played My Precious (face-up)? No. My Precious is not an MP card and the Manifestation rules do not apply to this situation.
h) Can I reveal Smaug Ahunt if my opponent has Smaug Roused in play? No. Smaug Ahunt is not an MP card.
i) Can I reveal Elrond if my opponent has Master of the House in play? No. Master of the House is not an MP card.