Bring Our Curses Home & Foes Shall Fall (clarification)

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Vastor Peredhil
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You're even faster than I expected.
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CDavis7M wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:04 pm Read the rules again. An attack from a creature cannot occur without a condition being keyed and met ("such an attack can only occur if"). The rule on attacks doesn't care whether the creature is played or not. Keying is required for an attack to be declared.
I recommend reading this link
viewtopic.php?p=37614#p37614

It is the post that you referenced but apparently ignored.

Abstract summary:
A requires B, C requires A, and C necessitates D does not imply that A necessitates D.

A: whether a creature attack can occur (creature is playable)
B: any one from a list of criterion
C: actually playing the creature
D: one particular criterion (the attack is keyed)

I thought you might be conflating A and C, or perhaps B and D, or both.

My best guess based on the language above is that you think C includes declaring any kind of attack, not just attacks that occur from playing a creature. Evidence against this includes, e.g., Ahunt creature attacks being declared but not being keyed to anything.

Not sure how else to help.
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A necessitates D is in the rules.

"Such an attack can occur ONLY if one of the following criterion is met... you MUST choose one of these criterion that the attack is 'keyed to.'"

The attack must be keyed.
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Theo wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:05 pm Evidence against this includes, e.g., Ahunt creature attacks being declared but not being keyed to anything.
A creature attack does not necessarily is an attack of creature.

But some evidences (or traces? or false statements?) exist.
CRF, Fever of Unrest wrote:The Dragon played is not considered keyed to anything.
CRF, Gothmog wrote:Gothmog is not keyed to anything, the Orc or Troll he is played after must be keyed to
a Shadow-land or Dark-domain.
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CDavis7M wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:26 pm A necessitates D is in the rules.

"Such an attack can occur ONLY if one of the following criterion is met... you MUST choose one of these criterion that the attack is 'keyed to.'"

The attack must be keyed.
I can see how one might believe A necessitates D when one conveniently drops the C conditional AND disregards the hypothetical nature of "can".
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