Half-Orc company type by example

[Mordan]

So we have the following

Hero Company / Minion Company
Covert / Overt companies

FW

1 half-orc alone is Minion/Hero company Covert/Overt?
1 half-orc and 1 man is Minion/Hero company Covert/Overt?
1 half-orc and 2 men is Minion/Hero company Covert/Overt?
1 half-orc and 1 FW is Minion/Hero company Covert/Overt?

Minion

1 half-orc alone is a minion company : overt or covert?
1 half-orc and 1 man is a minion company: overt or covert?
1 half-orc and 2 men is a minion company: overt or covert?

Rules by definition alone are really impossible. They need to be followed by examples for new players and even experienced players.

Landroval can only be played on overt minion company.
Elf-Lord is detainment only against Hero companies.

Thank you.

[Konrad Klar]

A hero company is Wizard player's company, or a Fallen-wizard's company that has
no Orcs or Trolls. A minion company is a Ringwraith player's company, or a Balrog
player's company. An overt company is a company with Orcs and/or Trolls in it. Note
that some allies can make a company overt, but Half-orcs do not.

So

FW companies with:
1 half-orc alone,
1 half-orc and 1 man,
1 half-orc and 2 men,
1 half-orc and 1 FW,

are neither hero or overt. They are covert but not minion.

Minion companies with:
1 half-orc alone,
1 half-orc and 1 man,
1 half-orc and 2 men,

are covert mionon companies.

Additionally (for FW companies):

Overt companies are not minion companies for the purposes of the detainment
attack guidelines in the MELE rules (p. 31). Overt companies are minion companies
for hazards that can only attack/effect minion companies (e.g., Sons of
Kings).

Landroval cannot be played against any of above mentioned companies.
Elf-Lord Revealed in Wrath is not detainment against any of above mentioned companies.

[Shapeshifter]

Orcs that are “Half-orcs” are special — if a Half-orc is in a company with only Half-orcs and Men, the company is not overt (i.e., the Half-orcs appear to be ugly men to the casual observer). Half-orcs cannot take trophies. However, for all other purposes a Half-orc is considered an Orc.

(7) Two questions regarding fallen wizard decks have arisen:
(a) When is a fallen wizard player's character considered hero, minion, or other?
(b) When is a fallen wizard player's company considered hero, minion, covert, overt, or other?
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Characters can be:
(a) for a hero player
(i) hero
(b) for a minion player
(i) minion
(c) for a fw player
(i) hero (non-orcs non-trolls)
(ii) minion (orcs including half-orcs, trolls)
Companies can be:
(a) for a hero player
(i) hero
(b) for a minion player
(i) covert minion
(ii) overt minion
(c) for a fw player
(i) covert hero (companies with nothing making them overt)
(ii) overt
(1) non-minion (due to overt-making non-orc non-troll ally, Freeze the Flesh, or Cast from the Order)
(2) minion (due to presence of an orc, a troll, or a half-orc with other characters than only half-orcs and
men)

According to this

FW companies with:
1 half-orc alone,
1 half-orc and 1 man,
1 half-orc and 2 men,
1 half-orc and 1 FW,

are covert hero companies!? Though I think that Konrad's way of seeing it is more logical.

[miguel]

There might be room in that character/company definition for a FW covert (non-hero, non-minion) company, but that should be discussed with the netrep team. It would create a weird dynamic with some stuff though, like Elf-lords would attack those companies freely.

Btw I think a Fallen-wizard in a company with Half-orcs makes the company overt minion (FW is neither Half-orc nor Man).

[Konrad Klar]

That leads to conclusion that joining two non-overt companies may result in overt company.
E.g. company with one half-orc + company with one half-orc.
Especially that WH uses singular form for half-orcs.
Ringwraith/hobbit/dwarf are neither half-orcs or men too. So if in company with half-orc(s) (at dark/wizardhaven) this company may be considered overt - for the same reasons.

Where is the good old rule that CRF has priority over rulesbooks?

[miguel]

Well, some of the CRF entries are actual errata to the rules, others just clarifications. I guess what you're looking for is in CRF: Introduction.

[Konrad Klar]

Well, ICE was very reluctant to admit its errors. It prefer to say "read X as Y", or "Z is working even if technically it does not have a right to be working" (see entries for Baduila, or Deeper Shadow).

Nevertheless: if two statements are partially contradicting each in other, then (maximum) only one is correct.