Bandobras Took wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:17 pm
Its effect targets the company. I'm talking about the card itself. If we divorce the effect of discarding Baduila from Baduila, we also have to divorce the effect of Seek from Seek. The card itself isn't playable on anything. It doesn't target anything. Only its effect does. (Assuming that discarding the Ranger Agent is the active condition of the bounce action.)
We
can divorce any action created by an short-event from the short-event itself.
And we
can end with conclusion that no short-event targets anything, but only actions/effects that the short-event creates.
(And then we could freely use e.g. Look More Closely Later to untap minion sites).
Or we
can acknowledge the fact that although particular actions created by short-event have targets, they cannot be declared in other way that along with declaration of the short-event.
And we
can conclude that if particular action declared along with declaration of short-event has target, then the short-event itself has the target too.
Bandobras Took wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:17 pm
That doesn't mean they target the company. After all, Baduila can't be discarded in one m/h phase and bounce somebody in another m/h phase. A target is an entity through which an action plays out, and the attack created by a creature card is not the creature card, just as the effect created by discarding Baduila is not Baduila.
Discarding action of Baduila is not declared along with declaration (playing) of Baduila.
Bandobras Took wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:17 pm
(Assuming that discarding the Ranger Agent is the active condition of the bounce action.)
It is not the active condition of the bounce action. Discarding Ranger Agent is main effect - action created by Seek Without Success and bounce action is main effect of the card too.
Ranger Agent is target and company is target of the card.
(if it would be "Ranger Agent of your choice" then Ranger Agent would not be a target).