The Ring's Betrayal
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Bandobras Took
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Playable on a company with a Ring Item. Place the Ring Item "off to the side" with this card and choose a site in the current company's region or adjacent regions also to be placed off to the side. Target Ring Item is playable at this site regardless of the site's tapped status. May also be played as a resource. When played as a resource, may not be targeted by Marvels Told or Voices of Malice, and you may move to the site regardless of its "off to the side" status.
Very powerful for a dunk deck, imagine you play scroll at a site in imlad morgul, then test the one ring, then place it off the side at mount doom. In that case you don't need to be affraid of rolled or seized...
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Bandobras Took
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Good point. How about adding "Barad-Dur must be used as the site if possible." 
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Thorsten the Traveller
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Either way, it can be used to have the One Ring in play without any intention of using it, just to annoy opponent. Nice if you bring Gollum to such a site though 
What exactly is the idea behind making it playable as resource?
Can only the company from which ring originated play the ring again? Otherwise a discard clause is necessary, because I suppose opponent won't play your own version of the ring. If played as resource opponent should also be able to play it, imho.
What exactly is the idea behind making it playable as resource?
Can only the company from which ring originated play the ring again? Otherwise a discard clause is necessary, because I suppose opponent won't play your own version of the ring. If played as resource opponent should also be able to play it, imho.
Stone-age did not end because man ran out of rocks.
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Bandobras Took
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Hmmm . . . so:
Playable on a company with a Ring Item. Place the Ring Item "off to the side" with this card and choose a site in the current company's region or adjacent regions or an adjacent under-deeps site also to be placed off to the side (use Barad-Dur if possible); a company may move to this site regardless of its off to the side status. A company may place the target ring item with a character who taps during the site phase. The non-owner of target ring card must provide his own version, or he cannot take control of target ring.
Playable on a company with a Ring Item. Place the Ring Item "off to the side" with this card and choose a site in the current company's region or adjacent regions or an adjacent under-deeps site also to be placed off to the side (use Barad-Dur if possible); a company may move to this site regardless of its off to the side status. A company may place the target ring item with a character who taps during the site phase. The non-owner of target ring card must provide his own version, or he cannot take control of target ring.
Firstly, are you referring explicitly to Gold Ring Items or do you mean any ring? If the former is meant, here's a suggestion for wording :
The Ring's Betrayal V:
Playable on a moving company bearing a Gold Ring Item or Leaf Brooch. Opponent must place a Gold Ring Item or Leaf Brooch "off to the side" with this card. Item does not give marshalling points while it is off to the side. Take a site from your location deck which is in one of the regions the company is moving through and place it with this card (use Barad-dur or Isengard if possible). Alternatively, if Doors of Night is in play this may be an Under-deeps site adjacent to the company's new site. Opponent may play this item as if it were in his hand at this site regardless of site status.
The ring betrayed Merry and Pippin, they dropped their Leaf Brooches.
I wasn't sure why your version included a potential interaction between players playing each other's items, but perhaps you can explain?
The Ring's Betrayal V:
Playable on a moving company bearing a Gold Ring Item or Leaf Brooch. Opponent must place a Gold Ring Item or Leaf Brooch "off to the side" with this card. Item does not give marshalling points while it is off to the side. Take a site from your location deck which is in one of the regions the company is moving through and place it with this card (use Barad-dur or Isengard if possible). Alternatively, if Doors of Night is in play this may be an Under-deeps site adjacent to the company's new site. Opponent may play this item as if it were in his hand at this site regardless of site status.
The ring betrayed Merry and Pippin, they dropped their Leaf Brooches.
I wasn't sure why your version included a potential interaction between players playing each other's items, but perhaps you can explain?
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Bandobras Took
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Any Ring Item. Thorsten wanted to see some interaction with a company potentially "picking up" the ring, if I understood him correctly. Before anybody gets too excited, remember that cards "off to the side" still give their marshalling points unless otherwise indicated.
Still the effect might be too strong vs A New Ringlord; perhaps a roll is called for?
Still the effect might be too strong vs A New Ringlord; perhaps a roll is called for?
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Thorsten the Traveller
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Well seems only logical that if ring is supposed to be in play at a site, both players can pick it up there...
why too strong vs. New Ringlord?
why too strong vs. New Ringlord?
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If it's any ring item, well, this hazard will definitely destroy any ring decks. 
Having my ring items unavoidably strewn all over M-earth wouldn't encourage me to play rings even if they did still give me MPs. If I get a Dwarven Ring or Magic Ring I'd hope to use it, not lose it!
It could work as an anti-Gold ring or Leaf Brooch hazard, much as Great Secrets Buried There works.
Having my ring items unavoidably strewn all over M-earth wouldn't encourage me to play rings even if they did still give me MPs. If I get a Dwarven Ring or Magic Ring I'd hope to use it, not lose it!
It could work as an anti-Gold ring or Leaf Brooch hazard, much as Great Secrets Buried There works.
Can't we just first see if the Rolled Down UEP gets through and if that leads to the play of other anti-ring hazards again. I really do not see the point of making more anti-ring stuff now, since everybody seems to agree that rings for points is too hard.
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Bandobras Took
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Just a minor note:Leon wrote:Can't we just first see if the Rolled Down UEP gets through and if that leads to the play of other anti-ring hazards again. I really do not see the point of making more anti-ring stuff now, since everybody seems to agree that rings for points is too hard.
The UEP process and Virtual Cards are two entirely different things. One may play a UEP game without using Virtual Cards and vice versa.
UEPs tend to be about modifying cards for balance reasons. Virtual Cards are about opening up new methods/strategies of play. For this reason, any proposed/accepted UEPs should have absolutely no bearing on Virtual Card design/suggesting.
I suggested this UEP because the Ring's Betrayal is currently an underused card -- you can have a target character make a cc to possibly discard a ring if they fail, or you can recycle Rolled and force discards not only from a company but a hand. The decision is a no-brainer.
@ Thorsten
It's too strong vs New Ringlord because your FW has to be at a Ruins & Lairs with Information bearing the One Ring.
@ Jambo
As I mentioned, items off to the side keep their MPs. It's only harsh if you're planning on repeatedly using a Ring's special ability.
Still the effect is probably too strong as is. Either a roll should be required or perhaps make it unique.
Ok, if you consider UEP and V cards to be unrelated I will phrase my points differently. One of the points of V cards is to enhance strategies that are currently too weak. The strategies in question here are:
1 Rings for Points resources
2 anti-Ring hazards other than Rolled
Both are a bit underplayed generally. We agree 1 is a bit too much trouble, but the situation with 2 is quite different. I suppose the anti-ring hazards are quite ok, since people have been able to stop One Ring even befor Rolled was invented. It is just that currently Rolled is so powerfull that there is no need to have much other anti ring cards in your deck. You do not want to solve this by making other anti-ring cards stronger.
1 Rings for Points resources
2 anti-Ring hazards other than Rolled
Both are a bit underplayed generally. We agree 1 is a bit too much trouble, but the situation with 2 is quite different. I suppose the anti-ring hazards are quite ok, since people have been able to stop One Ring even befor Rolled was invented. It is just that currently Rolled is so powerfull that there is no need to have much other anti ring cards in your deck. You do not want to solve this by making other anti-ring cards stronger.